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Prepared Father Defends Family At Popeyes

San Antonio police say a man licensed to carry shot and killed an armed suspect at an area chicken joint after he threatened members of his family with a gun.

Carlos Molina, 32, was eating a meal with his family at a Popeyes location just before 9 p.m. Wednesday when Andres Herrera, 19, approached him with a firearm and demanded money. Molina told Herrera he didn’t have any money and asked if his family could go, SBG San Antonio reported.

Herrera reportedly turned to the counter and demanded money from employees then pointed his gun at two additional members of Molina’s family who emerged from a restroom, at which point the father pulled his own gun and shot the subject.

A suspected accomplice, Trevon Atkinson, 18, was arrested by police on Friday. A hotel keycard found on Herrera’s body led to a room rented to Atkinson that contained jewelry with tags from a pawn shop that had recently been burglarized. Herrera’s girlfriend said she hoped his death helped people make better choices.

“I hope that everybody can learn something from this that there’s other ways than to rob or to steal,” said Eva Bravo.

source: guns.com

36 Comments

  • John Gillis

    Kudos to the quick-thinking father.

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  • David Atherton

    Thank god that the only one killed was the criminal and no one else was injured

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  • Suewa

    On the other hand a law abiding surgeon two days ago took a gun, killed his two children, 9 and 5 years of age, then himself. Same day a 19 year old college coed in a nearby college was shot in the face in her apartment. Too many guns EVERYWHERE! If no one in that home or in that Popeye’s had had a gun maybe no one would be dead.

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    • drs924

      You missed the point Suewa…this man saved lives by eliminating trash. And again, if your reference to the doctor had not had a gun, he would have used other methods to kill his family. It is not the gun kiddo, it is the individual behind the gun or any weapon of choice. Someday, people may yet get the logic, and begin punishing the offenders more severely without trying to change our constitutional rights.

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      • KingDon

        You’re wasting your time trying to talk sense to someone like Suewa. They’re essentially blind and brain dead when it comes to guns. You will never get them to actually look at real statistics which clearly show that there is a reduction in crime where law abiding citizens own and are trained in the use of firearms.

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      • Suewa

        Drs924 I would point out that a gun is such a “clean’, impersonal and efficient method of killing and its mere presence increases the likelihood of its use in these domestic and suicidal situations.

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        • drs924

          Just another narrow minded few of a liberal…one could do more damage in a crowed venue, with an icepick. We get it, you don’t like guns and that is your choice, but you fail to think about the consequences of an over-bearing government confiscation from legally acquired firearm.
          Case in point, would be every socialist nation that underwent total gun control… Down through history, in every socialist nation the confiscation lead to millions of deaths, by the very government sworn to protect its citizens’…Do some history and understand our constitutional freedoms, before you try to make changes.
          Next time you need emergency help, who do you call…police response time can be 45 minutes…good luck with that one, but then you could try to defend yourself with harsh language against an attack. Or, jut role over a become another statistic.
          It is never the weapon of choice that is the problem, it is the individual behind the source…to argue that a gun is a clean impersonal efficient method, is so weak as an approach.
          History has validation and our founding fathers were much smarter than those around today, and foresaw the day, when weaker minds would try to change the constitution…
          But, logic is wasted on liberal/socialists and since they have no real facts other than their individual belief’s, then they just yell harder an make up new reason’s as they go through life, oblivious to how we got here, what others sacrificed in order that people have the right to make demands, picket peaceful cities and ignore those who gave their all in order that they have the right to act irresponsibly.

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          • Suewa

            drs24 Clearly you believe that complete access to any kind, any number of guns, and any amount of ammunition by anyone should continue to be permitted in this country even if it does cost the tragic loss of life that is so much greater than any other comparable country. I will ask you if you think that the man who carried out the massacre from the 32nd floor of that Las Vegas hotel could have killed and injured all those people with a bat, a knife or anything besides very powerful firearms? That man never came in close contact with any of his victims. I’m certain there was no blood on his clothing. Impersonal and efficient, right? Tragically the illogical (whether “socialist” or capitalist, I don’t know) family of a man who had been discharged from the service for psychological reasons and observable irrational behavior tried to have him disarmed legally but were told he had to show he was a danger either to himself or others. Well, he proved he was by killing 8 young people and himself in a church near my home. Careful screening of those permitted to own guns is what we need. I do have an excellent security system so I am willing to not have firearms around which statistically have shown to increase one’s chances of being shot rather than add protection.

          • drs924

            logic and legitimate legal gun ownership is lost on you. We have gun registration now, and no one can walk into a gun store, buy a gun and walk out…without filling out multiple copies of paperwork. Liberal and the gun confiscation zealots will never be happy with any type of weapon. If they manage to get the guns, then they’ll go on to something else.
            As I said before, I wish you luck if you ever need help and depend on the law enforcement to show up before disaster strikes…minimum time frame in 45 minutes…good luck. You give a case where killings took place, and there are ten that the news never reports, where a legal gun owner saved lives, because they sere there with a weapon.

          • Suewa

            drs924 Please refer me to some of these many incidences in which a gun in the home or on the person of a carrier have saved lives that compares in any way to the lives lost to the guns of our homegrown “terrorists.” More than 1000 women lost their lives to guns in the hands of their husbands or boy friends in 2013. About 600 others were beaten or stabbed. I actually found two situations where the women had guns and were able to save themselves.

          • drs924

            You are so blinded by biased opinions that no logic will ever reach you…we get that, but since you asked here are just two instances where guns saved lives, not that it will change your mind. And if you read the first two, you might want to pay attention to the last part as well.

            When Guns Saved Lives: On February 12, 2007, a lone gunman, Sulejman Talovic, opened fire at the crowded Trolley Square shopping mall, killing five bystanders. Kenneth Hammond, who was at Trolley Square having an early Valentine’s Day dinner with his pregnant wife.

            Hammond used his weapon and confronted Talovic, along with Sgt. Andrew Oblad of the Salt Lake City Police Department, putting a stop to further deaths. A SWAT team from the Salt Lake City Police Department, and after a brief encounter killed the shooter. Hammond, a man with a weapon, was credited with saving “countless lives.”

            From an article reported by USA Today, “A 14-year-old student was shot at an Atlanta middle school, and another student was taken into custody, police said.” An armed guard disarmed the shooter moments after the 1:50 p.m. shooting in a courtyard at the Price Middle School in southeast Atlanta.
            Truth against fiction: During the second world war, many wonder why Japan did not invade the U.S. Mainland, even though they had the sea power to do so. Verified by historical facts and interviews with many Japanese military in later years.
            Japan had plans to attack the U.S. Mainland which were scrapped, when they were lead to believe that, because America had a constitution that allow private gun ownership, and additional information that some 120 million people in America were armed. For this reason they decided not to attempt an attack on the Mainland, as not willing to face 100 plus million armed citizens’
            It might help you somewhat Suewa, if you had a bit of history behind you before you make such liberally biased, anti gun comments. Do some checking with world history and learn what happened to now, socialist countries prior to them being taken over by a political zealot.
            Use you fingers to dance through the internet and see how, Pol Pot, Stalin, Italy during WW2, South America Today, parts of Africa today and learn the steps they used to take over the countries, and it’s millions of people. Until then, you are ill-informed to make comments in opposition of our second amendment rights.
            Our forefathers foresaw a day which we might actually need to use force against our own government to gain back individual rights. You may wish to become a puppet of an over-bearing government but, there are many true America citizen’s who will not allow government to control everything in regards to our living in this country. Government is there for the will of the people, not to control its citizens’

    • usmcSergeant

      You are so out of touch with reality. The sad thing is you can vote.

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    • privateye842

      Yeah, and IF the queen had balls she would be king 👑!

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    • Paul Dionne

      Suewa, think about what you said. The doctor took a gun, not a gun took the doctor. The gun did not do anything, but the idiot holding it did. I know of no gun that picks itself up off the floor, out of a closet and discharged itself to cause direct injury to anyone.

      Statistic, compiled by the FBI, has shown that the increase in the carrying of licensed weapons, causes criminals to think twice before initiating any criminal activity. Unfortunately the CCW carrier was so prepared and put the criminal down. Maybe it would have been better to let the perp spend time in jail.

      Forcing individuals to relinquish their rights would appease individuals like yourself, but what the ones like you will not admit is that the people you want to protect, the criminals, will still find access to weapons and the crimes will increase instead of decreasing.

      If you really believe what you say, please provide your address as I’ll gladly give it to every robber, every rapist, and every criminal I know so they can make a visit to your location. Then, lets see how you dance around the statements made here. I bet you will be applying for a license to protect yourself and your family from these uncaring criminals.

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      • Suewa

        Paul, because guns are so easily acquired in this country we have far more people who should never have access to those weapons able to commit armed robbery. There are more guns to steal and then, of course, gun shows and stores frequently do not run a really thorough background check, sometimes because there is no waiting period to permit the check. We have had several road rage incidents in my community in which people with concealed carry permits have actually pulled out their guns and pointed them at people in other cars. One fatality I know of. I feel safer with the security system in my home than I ever would with a gun.

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        • Paul Dionne

          “Guns are s easily acquired”? The only ones that escape a government monitored background checks are the criminals who buy them from other criminals. The stores and all gun dealers are mandated to ensure background checks are performed on every buyer, so I would recommend you contact the authorities with the names of any unlawful sellers you know of, but I doubt you can actually show any real licensed sellers violating the law.

          People who are unaware of the lawful requirements try to fabricate issues claiming obtaining guns is easy when in fact their true agenda is to allow the criminal the only access to guns.

          Please, read thelaw and get educated about gun purchasing requirements. Do your research into the relationship between lawful gun ownership and crime. I think you may learn the truth, but I bet you will continue to push your agenda to strip lawful owners of their Constitutional Rights.

          By the way, where do you live as I want to check into your claim about road rage and CCW holders. You see, I’m willing to look at verifiable information, not just regurgitate the lies presented by like minded liberals.

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          • Suewa

            Paul, I must reply quickly. Just google Road Rage DFW 2017. Here’s a partial list July 22 fatality when a shooter in another fired into car killing driver Nov. 8 TCU shuttle driver with another driver -campus put on shut down Lancaster road rage Aug. 8 I20 at south hulen ( near my home) gun displayed Allen, Texas Jan.22 North Central Expressway Jan. 6 man shot There are many more And then there was the horrible home shooting in Plano in Sept. by a licensed concealed carrier that killed 9 I’m in Texas less than a block from the Wedgewood Baptist Church where in 1999 a deranged shooter whose family had tried to have him disarmed because he was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic but had no luck. Even a deputy sheriff (again this is Texas) told them unless their family member demonstrated he was a danger to others or himself he had his sacred 2 amendment rights. Well, he shot and killed 8 young people then turned the gun on himself. Paul, there are videos which I shall find and refer you of a 13 year old who could not purchase some over the counter medications but went to a gun store, a pawn shop, and gun show and was able to purchase a firearm ( I think, semi automatic) with no problems.

          • Suewa

            Just google video of 13 year old buying a gun with on problems at a gun show. He had gone to convenience stores and couldn’t buy beer, cigarettes, or lottery scratch offs but the gun industry will continue to flourish now that toddlers can hunt in Wisconsin and so can very small children in Texas. Now, that’s healthy. Teach little children to enjoy killing animals.

          • Paul Dionne

            There is only ONE CCW holder and no evidence the others were carrying legally. So you have shown nothing except a few shootings that do not relate in any way to what we were discussing. Show me where legal gun owners, and prove it, have been involved in killings. Furthermore, the one where the family tried to get the cops to take the gun is questionable, and if anything, the cops screwed the pooch as they are required to act on contacts like that, NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE! Also, DFW is known for being a tough area, and there are lots of illegals there, as well as gangs. Were any of the shootings related to that??? Legal gun ownership is a guarantee under the 2nd Amendment, but if you do not like that, feel free to move to a country that prevents it’s citizens from owning guns.

            You would love it in Russia where gun ownership is banned and gangs and their mafia equivalent controls the streets. You may like it in England where you can only have a shotgun, and it must be kept at a sporting club. Or China where guns are illegal, so the criminals get them from other countries, but they also use knives, so do you propose outlawing them also??? Every country that outlaws guns have issues with criminals still having them and when that happens the law abiding citizens have no way of protecting themselves.

            As I said in the past, the guns are not the problem, it’s the nutty owners that are causing the issues. So, based on that, what types of guns do you own???

          • Suewa

            Legal gun ownership for ANYONE? No effective background checks? Domestic abusers under restraining orders? Veterans with PTSD? People unable to manage their own affairs? More than one of the examples I sent involved legal gun owners, some with concealed carry permits. I do believe in some areas of the country we have restrictions being carried out, but in others where there are laws they are not enforced. I realize at this point you do not believe the USA has the dramatically higher number of gun fatalities compared to other countries similar to ours.

          • Paul Dionne

            Lets look at your claims one at a time and see how many can legally own a gun.
            I never said ANYTHING about ANYONE being able to own a gun, that is not possible as there are legal requirements for pistols and long guns.
            1. Long guns require a full NCIC background check and the person MUST BE OVER 18.
            2. Pistols require a NCIC background check and must be over 21. I will speak more to the limitations later when addressing the various owner limits.
            3. Background checks were initiated during times when democrat president and congress.
            4. Restraining orders and domestic violence convictions PROHIBIT the individual from even being in a residence where a firearm of ANY TYPE is maintained, let alone owning one!
            5. Veterans with PTSD must be looked at individually, not clumped together as some with PTSD are survivors of rape/sexual assault and having a firearm would tend to minimize their fear of being attacked again. Other veterans suffer from types of PTSD that do not make them violent at all, but if that were an issue, why would the representatives of California place students attending Brentwood School, a private school in West Los Angeles, in close contact with the PTSD suffers receiving treatment at the WLA VA? The VA and the local authorities addressed the issue and said there was no possibility of negative interaction.
            6. What is the issue with people unable to manage their affairs? Do you work in mental health or any public service field? If you did you would know that there are lots of people that may not be able to maintain a checkbook ledger, but they are totally within control of their faculties.
            7. Only ONE of the examples you sent were perpetrated by a CCW holder, and ONE was reported to the police for being unstable, but the police chose not to remove the guns pending court involvement.

            So, based on the above, the only viable issue involves the two included in number 7. You claim that there was a 13 year old that purchased a gun, but if that is so, contact the authorities and report it, or you are complicit to the act and are an accomplice to anything that may happen.

            I do not see how you can compare ANY other nation as we are one of the few where the law abiding citizens still have the Constitutional Right to own firearms, but if you are so concerned, maybe you should work to get the criminals disarmed as the major number of gun deaths and crimes take place in cities with the most restrictive gum laws, i.e. Chicago, NYC, LA, DC, and many other cities with liberal controlled governments account for the majority of all deaths in this country. If you want to end gun crimes, push YOUR police to enforce the laws, but until that happens, DO NOT ask law abiding citizens to give up their lawfully owned firearms, and make them potential victims as the law abiding citizens in the aforementioned cities have been forced to become. The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world – there are 89 guns for every 100 Americans, compared to 6 in England and Wales, so comparing the US to those States is unconscionable, and by the way, the Brits have to around 550 murders per year, and when you calculate the number of weapons their people own their actual statistics of gun related deaths is nearly the same as ours. So considering their strict control of gun ownership, they see no better results as their gun deaths are mostly crime related, where the perps DO NOT LEGALLY OWN GUNS!!!

            By the way, I’m a retired gun dealer, retired military, have a degree in law as well a masters in business. I’m very cognizant of the way liberals manipulate statistics in an attempt to prove their point.

            Research shows that states that allow “Constitutional Carry” have the lowest number of gun crimes, so if the laws were enforced, whereas the criminals did not have guns, and law abiding citizens had the option to carry unrestricted, the criminals would be leery of committing crimes as they would be more concerned with the possibility that the victim may be armed. Not everyone would chose to do so, but I contend that the possibility would make the low level criminals think twice. Now, the gang members, and other heavy criminals would continue their reign of terror, but the police stepping in and doing their job, instead of taking a hands off approach, as done in the above cities, would eliminate most of the deaths. I grant you that Texas has the highest gun related death rate, followed closely by California, but both states high rates are related to criminal activity, where in Texas it is related to gang crimes related to the illegal drug trade, and in California it is the same. Neither state allows “constitutional carry”, but if they did, I contend the statistics would be different.

            So to put an end to this, if you want to make a change, jump on your local and state police, telling them to enforce the current laws, and then you will see things change.

          • Suewa

            Paul, Louisiana has a higher gun fatality rate per 100,000 than Texas, but Texas is still tragic. You are not for extremely high standards and waiting periods for gun owners. I wonder how you stand on storage that would prevent the daily tragedy of young children accessing guns – at least one a day under the age of 10. I guess you feel Zimmerman was right to confront Trayvon Martin and “stand his ground.” I am extremely well informed on the requirements for gun ownership here and other countries. The general public does not experience a safe environment as far as never being far from an individual carrying a firearm who should have experienced denial of that weapon at some point. We have a proliferation and a lack of will to enforce high standards that will result in much better safety for the general public.

          • Paul Dionne

            “should have experienced denial of that weapon at some point.” You are making my point for me… Did that person acquire that gun legally or through unlawful procurement? Lawful gun dealers follow the law as they would not put their license in jeopardy for ANY gun sale. Furthermore, the ones, that are not FFL holders, that are selling guns at gun shows, are curio sellers, where no one needs an FFL to sell. If you want to make changes to meet your perverted requirements, propose the changes to your representatives, not here as your claims fall on deaf ears. Also, you claim that “standards” are not enforced, well maybe not to your standards, but again, if you have solid evidence that the laws have been violated, step forward and contact the ATF and provide them the solid evidence you think you have. I would bet you find that your wishes are outside the wishes of a normal human being. I wish you a MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

          • Paul Dionne

            @Suewa “You are not for extremely high standards and waiting periods for gun owners.” The standards are set pretty high as they are, BUT getting the cops to enforce them is the issue. If the illegal owners of guns were prosecuted, the crime rate would decrease dramatically, but it won’t happen as many people who would have to enforce the law, gain from the high crime rate. Look at Chicago where the mayor is so foolish that he asked the UN to send troops to protect the people, but he is fine with the black on black, gang related killings, OR HE’D ORDER HIS POLICE INTO THE AREAS WITH THE HIGH CRIME/DRIVE BY DEATHS.

            As I’ve said before, become active pushing for enforcement of current law or sit on your thumbs and do nothing.

          • Paul Dionne

            What training do you or others have that can provide you the ability to decide what a person was thinking, believed, or feared. Are you or the court, jury included, mind-readers? Your claims are moot and are based on unqualified theories originating in your head. My suggestion is that you stop listening to the voices in your head.

          • Suewa

            Paul, I have never even touched a firearm of any kind in my very long life and that is one reason this “nutty” person who has absolutely no firearm knowledge should be denied any second amendment rights. I was raised around ranchers, hunters, and guns but know absolutely nothing about guns so I am an unqualified law abiding citizen. Again, those who have the proven skills, mental stability, and are law abiding have a right to a gun. They should also be licensed and carry insurance.

    • Mike

      What planet did you come from. The country with the most strict gun laws is the UK. Where murders, rapes , burglaries are higher than the US. How’s that for your gun control laws.

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    • Tracy

      If there were guns the perp would have used a bat, or a hammer, or a knife, which would have resulted in someone being hurt or killed. If these scumbags couldn’t get a gun they would use something else. You missed the point, but given you are probably a brainwashed libtard you will never understand. Question for you…what would you have done if you were the father? Talk your way out of it?? Maybe espouse the glories of socialism and that if only he would give everything to the State he wouldn’t have to steal from law-abiding people?? Face it Suewa, you are a spineless dipstick!!

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      • Suewa

        Tracy, could the killer on the 32nd floor of that Las Vegas hotel have carried out his massacre with a bat, a knife, or a hammer? Could the people in that Texas church been so quickly killed by one man with a knife or a hammer? Let us reason together.

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  • Real Racer

    Hussein obama would have him arrested and
    “Black Lives” groups would be protesting the Right to Bear Arms!”

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  • kzig

    Hey Suewa, Give a listen. The UK outlawed guns, grabbed the guns. Latest stats are crime UP 27%! California same story, crime UP 13 to 20%. Now I know you have trouble putting two and two together but real life stats tell it like it is in the real world. Chicago outlawed guns and over Thanksgiving they hit the front pages with 7 dead. Now tell me again why we should outlaw guns.

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  • Suewa

    Responders, the USA has 4% of the world’s population and 42% of the guns. People can kill with their bare hands and practically anything else -knives, bats, certainly cars or trucks, scarves , shoe strings, chair- you name it. Guns have no other purpose but to kill. My point is that we do not screen the people who can access guns. Personally, I do not have the skills that should be required for a gun owner and people I know who do and own them have acknowledged that the guns themselves make their homes more vulnerable to burglary. There are many statistical sources that are reliable and show that guns in the home increase some 20 to 27 times the likelihood that those guns will kill or injure someone in that home. In this country most of the guns are in the possession of about 1/3 of the population and unfortunately horrors like Las Vegas, the Texas church, Virginia Tech, and the many, many other extreme mass shootings plus the daily slaughter of 2 to 7 people killed in their homes by a single deranged shooter show that if we do have enough laws to control the appropriate sale, acquisition, and use of guns those laws are not being enforced. The vitriol shown my perspective on the gun situation which is shared by many shows that those responders probably have dangerous temperaments that may cause them to shoot irrationally. In my community we regularly hear about road rage engaged in by “responsible, law abiding,” citizens with a concealed carry permit.

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  • Brian Ries

    Hey Suewa, quit spitting out lies about false statistics or in other words liberals statistics! No ones suppose to know you have a gun in your house. Thats the whole idea of concealed carry. You dont tell your neighbours about the guns you have, you dont open carry on the street like its the wild west again , and unless you do how the hell is anyone gonna know you have them ? You stated people who do have guns are more likely to be a target for burglars. If you’ve kept your mouth shut hows anybody gonna know ???

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    • Suewa

      Brian, please tell me what my lies and false statistics are? I consulted several sources. Like many gun enthusiasts keep telling us, the criminals will always get guns, right? Well those that hunt, especially trophy hunters, are known. People who live in areas where there is much hunting and are seen loading up to hunt or seen with their weapons anywhere do become vulnerable. At any rate do we do away with laws that make murder and thievery crimes that can land one in jail because some people still ignore those laws? People drive cars without a license but it is illegal. At least when they are caught they do suffer some unpleasant consequences.

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      • drs924

        Suewa…If you cannot figure out what your false statistics are, then you are part of the problem and not a solution. There will be a world of true statistics printed just about everyday, where private ownership saved lives, and yet you keep yourself blinded by Liberal/Socialist news as though it was the word of God.
        Know your history and current events of gun control attempts, that is where you are being inaccurate on. Cities are now bunching their crime statistics into one base, in order to report less crime, claiming that gun control has reduced crime.
        You have several categories of crime…violent, non violent, misdemeanor and other less violations. Now, to show a drop in gun related crime, they loop it in with the lessor events, and claim success. In reality, gun related crime increased where gun control in the strongest, while lessor crimes dropped. Just more false news, by those who have bitten on the hype from the Liberals.
        History from around the world has never shown gun confiscation to be a very good way to control those who would do harm to others. However, gun confiscation has always been the first step for government to take over a nation, control its people and create abject poverty throughout the entire nation.

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